I'd be in favor of a stop sign. Confused drivers stop often stop at the intersection anyways (despite the lack of a stop sign).

I would also like to see stop signs or speed bumps. Kathy Stancil Palace Garden Way

I actually think speed bumps are a better idea, but not just at that intersection. I think they are needed around the neighborhood. A 4-way stop would somewhat help at that particular location, but I feel people would continue to speed through everywhere else. A series of speed bumps would force people to slow down throughout the entire neighborhood.

I totally agree with the speed tables/humps. Just noticed this morning in another neighborhood they added them due to excessive speeding. This neighborhood is going to continue to grow with traffic and hopefully the city will see the need to act now. I do have a report that they have currently taken over the roads... So now is the time!

I agree with the speed humps throughout neighborhood. I think that is a better solution than one stop sign.

I think we need 4 way stops all the way down Chapanoke (ie at Palace Garden, Formal Garden, etc) not just at Ileagnes. I am not sure speed humps are the answer (they are just going to put extra wear and tear on our cars) but I definitely think we need some traffic calming measures put in place BEFORE Tryon Rd gets re-routed and it gets even worse. The sad part is that most of the speeding is being done by our own neighbors (not necessarily by people cutting through the neighborhood).

I am in favor of the speed bumps. People do not stop at the stop signs we have now let alone any new ones.

Please consider putting a speed hump near the intersection of Formal Garden and Chapanoke. People fly through that intersection and there are quite a few kids in that area and lots of people walk/run and walk their dogs. Someone is going to get hit.

I'll take stop signs or speed humps. Something has to be done!

I favor both more stop signs and speed bumps, the sooner the better. Speed bumps will not harm your car at 25 mph.

I am in my 5th year in the neighborhood, and I know from experience that verbal pleas on our internet site are unfortunately of no help. I have witnessed some near tragedies, and I know that several accidents have already happened. Many times, I have been cut off by cars swerving into Chapanoke from side streets without even looking or slowing down for stop signs. It is also true, as Kristen pointed out, that most of the speeding is being done by our own neighbors.

I've referred this to our Public Works Department. When the staff has had a chance to respond I’ll post an update. Thanks for reporting.

As a Ren Park resident, I am in favor of a four way stop sign at Ileagnes and Chapanoke and speed bumps further down Chapanoke and some other side streets. Just the stop sign is not enough to slow people down.

I would love to see MANY speed bumps throughout the community. The speeds at which people drive here are ridiculous. I don't think additional stop signs would be of any benefit simply because so few people stop at the existing ones.

We have received multiple requests from citizens and the HOA for something at the intersection of Chapanoke & Ileagnes. As of this time, neither street at that location is being maintained by the City of Raleigh. The property management firm for the subdivision, PPM Inc., has been made aware of this and will be dealing with the developer to resolve this issue.

Just talked to Wakefield development and it has recently been turned over to the City (at least this intersection has). Are you sure?

We were told the streets have been taken over by the city by Wakefield - can you double check? Either way wouldn't the city need to approve of the four-way stop, speed bumps, or other traffic calming measures even if they were implemented by the developer? I think most of the people responding here are residents so we can definitely direct our concerns to Wakefield but we need to know if a) the streets are in fact their responsibility and b) what needs to happen for them to make the safety changes that are needed. We would like to find solutions - can you help us?

Yes, I will double check and let you know what I find out.

Just so you know, we are very grateful to have someone double check. Any help to mitigate this issue is so thanked!

I agree that something needs to be done about the speeding. I think some residents are not even aware that they are going so fast. Is there a way to have a monitor that shows your speed as you pass installed for a week or so? It will take time to get either stop signs or speed bumps installed. We need to make everyone aware of how fast they are driving.

Good idea, watson walker! I recall that, when I lived in Cary, any neighborhood could contact the Cary Police Dept and request a mobile lighted scoreboard for a week, with the "POSTED SPEED IS YOUR SPEED IS " message flashing. Then I moved to RenPark near downtown Raleigh, and I am a) much happier! and b) not sure if such a program exists in the City of Raleigh. If so, let's do it. If not, it is a great idea for them to consider.

If people want speed bumps they can move back to New York. Our cars and the environment shouldn't have to sustain extra wear and year because you want our neighborhood to be "like home"

If speed bumps are put in, I suggest that everyone honks every time they go over one in protest.

Who's from New York? We have speed bumps in the south. If you aren't going too fast they will not hurt your car.

I agree with a four way stop sign at that intersection. It is very needed.

I would love to see a 4 way stop sign at that intersection. Please help!

This is still an issue and getting looked into by the City as to who owns the roads.

Our Public Works Department confirms that these streets have not been accepted by the City for maintenance as yet. The streets remain in the control of the developer. The City does not maintain privately controllled streets, as previously indicated.
Closing issue in SeeClickFix.

Can the developer put in a four-way stop or other traffic calming measures? What approval would they need from the city to do this? We are fine approaching the developer we just need to know if there are other potential roadblocks that might prevent this from happening if they were willing. Is it as simple as the developer can put in stop signs?

See Attachment: The CITY has accepted the streets in question. Carl R Dawson 919-996-3030 has his signature as well as Paul Kallam 919-996-2406. Please contact and have some thing done.

We followed up with the developer and they shared the attached document. Can you please help us? We just need to know who to speak with to move this issue forward. If you have documentation that the streets are in fact under his responsibility I would love to take it to him. Thanks so much for your help. I am re-opening this because it is not resolved. Saying it isn't your responsibility isn't resolving the issue for the neighborhood and the problem still exists.

Page 2 of the document.

Mr. Mcleod: Thank you for forwarding the letter dated January 25, 2013 and you will note that the "acceptance" is subject to several items, to include sidewalks and final overlay of ashpalt. This is why we are having our Public Works department verify exactly the status of the roads in Renaissance Park Phase 1. Thanks for your patience. Once the status is determined, we can then advise you on how to proceed. I can tell you that installation of a 4-way stop signs at an intersection is subject to traffic counts and evaluation by our traffic engineers. Only if the data warrants will a 4-way stop be considered. With regard to installation of traffic calming measures, IF the streets are subject to city maintenance, then there is an existing program to which we will refer your neighborhood to in order to begin the process of being considered for traffic calming measures. However, non-city maintained streets are not eligible for the program. I will post an update that is responsive to all of the issue raised here as soon as I have accurate and thorough information. Thanks.

My only question at this point is if the streets are determined to be the responsibility of the developer can they create a four-way stop and/or other traffic calming measures without city approval? And if such approval is needed how would they go about getting it. If we have to go back to them we want to have all the information so we can move this forward.

Thank you for taking the time to look at this and help us sort through the details. We want to make sure this issue is resolved and our streets are safe for everyone.

Mr. McLeod: I'd be happy to reivew with you on the phone the subdivision development process related to public right-of-way, and review with you what the options are for your neighborhood. Louis Buonpane, City Manager's Office, 919-996-4275.

Left you a message - look forward to hearing from you.

I would prefer a few of the mild washboard-type speed calmers around the neighborhood rather than speed bumps or more stop signs. I admit it is easy to inadvertently go too fast sometimes and the washboards definitely get your attention without damaging your vehicle. The washboards could end about a foot from the curb so that bikers can have smooth passage.

And by the way since we're concerned about traffic safety, how come I sometimes encounter people pushing their stroller kids side-by-side in the street rather than using our great sidewalks??

Agreed AL. That is what we are pushing for. These will be like the ones you see at NC State and SAS for the most part.

Stop signs look more classy and slow people down a lot more, which is what I think our neighborhood is going for.

No disrespect to anyone, but I've lived near that corner for 4 years and in my opinion, I'm not convinced stop signs or speed bumps are needed. Perhaps the roads on Ileagnes could be painted with white lines and the word "STOP" and maybe "2 Way Stop" signs and the words "SLOW" painted on Ileagnes would clarify right of way.

However, if the evidence and data indicates something must be done, please no 4 way stop sign - a speed bump would be much preferred for a couple reasons, not the least of which to me personally is that I already have to put up with vehicles (especially loud ones) accelerating away from the stop sign on Ileagnes at all hours, and I don't relish the thought of another stop sign on the main road (Ileagnes) causing more of this.

Also, I'm not so sure that the majority of people speeding through the neighborhood actually live here. I think a lot of the traffic is cut through traffic between Tryon and the strip malls. Another idea (that has been shot down several times) would be to make it a gated community - cutting down on cut through traffic, increase security, AND slow down traffic at the entrances of the neighborhoods - preferably not right out in front of someone's house.

When a development is built, the road network serving it is owned by the developer or a holding company. Since the roadway network is private, the relevant party can install traffic control devices as they deem fit. The Federal Highway’s Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) most recent addition now pertains to private roads. If a private entity decides to sign and mark their road network different from the MUTCD they are at risk of possible liability. When the City accepts private streets for maintenance, City staff inspects the entire infrastructure. This includes the traffic control devices such as signs. If any sign does not meet City, State or Federal standards, we replace them. If an intersection has traffic control devices that are not warranted, they are subject to be removed. This includes 4-way stops. Raleigh City Council adopted MUTCD so we have to follow the “shall” conditions laid out in the manual. If an intersection was signed for multi-way stop and is not warranted, it is subject to be changed. If the traffic pattern or conditions change then City staff would be happy to reevaluate the location. For further inquiry, please contact Jed Niffenegger at (919) 996-4039 or via email at jed.niffenegger@raleighnc.gov.